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First, let me say that I have laid off the controversial, politically-driven posts based upon feedback I got from my last round of them; however, the amazing and surrealistic events occurring almost daily in the U.S. Presidential election of 2008 forces me to get a few things off of my chest. So, if you don't like it when I talk about politics, this is your fair warning - feel free to move along, maybe go to Bob's Blog and see what he's talking about lately. Go on, I won't mind.

OK, if you're still here, then you either like my political posts, or you're just curious about what I'm going to say; either way, welcome.

Background
First, let me give you a bit of insight into my political leanings. Overall, I consider myself an independent centrist, with libertarian leanings. I like the spirit of the Libertarian principles, but I don't like some of the planks in their platform, but generally I fully embrace their overall principles, as stated in the previous link:
We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose. (**emphasis mine)

Governments throughout history have regularly operated on the opposite principle, that the State has the right to dispose of the lives of individuals and the fruits of their labor. Even within the United States, all political parties other than our own grant to government the right to regulate the lives of individuals and seize the fruits of their labor without their consent.

We, on the contrary, deny the right of any government to do these things, and hold that where governments exist, they must not violate the rights of any individual: namely,

(1) the right to life -- accordingly we support the prohibition of the initiation of physical force against others;
(2) the right to liberty of speech and action -- accordingly we oppose all attempts by government to abridge the freedom of speech and press, as well as government censorship in any form; and
(3) the right to property -- accordingly we oppose all government interference with private property, such as confiscation, nationalization, and eminent domain, and support the prohibition of robbery, trespass, fraud, and misrepresentation.


Before I get a ton of responses about the Libertarian Party, I want to make it clear that THIS post is NOT about the Libertarian Party, the problems I have with it, nor the problems you have with it; we can save that for another day, and another civil discourse. Today, I am talking about the upcoming general election (I'm not going to say U.S. election from now on, everyone knows that's what I'm talking about).

Because of my independent nature, I tend to vote for the guy that seems to a) be very intelligent, and b) has the most planks in his platform on which I mostly agree. Now, I put those two things in that order because that is the order in which I evaluate a President (or any other elected official, but that's the one I'm talking about today). I want a President that is as smart or smarter than me. I want a President who is well-versed in the issues facing our country today, who is able to think on his feet, and who is able to choose a supporting cast that address his "blind spots", or areas where he is not as well-versed. Incidentally, I have voted for Republicans, Democrats, and even Libertarians in the various elections where I have exercised my responsibility as an American voter.

I should also mention that my decisions are also influenced quite a bit by my Humanist, UU, and Skeptic background and basis for my view of the world in which we live.

Sen. John McCain - Some Thoughts
I want to start by stating that early in the 2000 election, I actually liked John McCain. He was a moderate Republican, wasn't afraid to piss off his own party, and seemed to be a man of principles. I also thought that he would be a better President than pretty much anyone else in the Republican side of the house, so it was really down to McCain or Gore - and believe me, Gore wasn't a great choice, in my eyes. Unfortunately "W" won the race and the rest, as they say, was history.

Fast forward to today. We have a sitting President who is less popular than Nixon was when he resigned, and so the Republican party is already starting behind the curve. They go through their preliminaries to find the successor to Bush as the leader of the Republican Party, and they settle upon McCain. Interesting, I thought. Maybe, just maybe, the Republican Party is moving away from the extremism and polarizing nature back towards a moderate stance. And if so, the McCain is a very good choice to lead them back.

Boy, was I wrong.

And before I go on, let me go off on a rant. What has happened to our parties, but especially the Republican Party? It used to be - and let me state right now that these are my perceptions, but I feel they are at least partially right - that the Republican Party was led by people who were reasoned, well versed, and temperate in their tone. In fact, they were a party who, when compared to the WAY leftist leanings of the Democratic Party, seemed to be more moderate.

Well, the pendulum has swung the other way.

Now the Democrats seem to be temperate and well versed, more centrist in their overall demeanor, than the Republicans. Now the Republicans appear to be led by an extremely vocal, loud, and obnoxious group of people who spew vitriol and hate, who attack rather than debate, who would rather scream you down than consider your viewpoint and attempt to find some common ground. I think that we owe this to the media, who have stirred up the base instincts of these people, who have filled their minds with a very twisted and slanted viewpoint of pretty much every topic in the world, who spin stories and facts to make them sound so true, and yet they are so far off. This includes conservative talk radio, Fox News, and even some of the evangelistic and Penecostal ministers fall into this category.

And speaking of the "religious right", I firmly believe that the turning point, the time when the Republican Party can point to as the milestone when it changed (for the worse, I believe), is the formation and influence of the Moral Majority. The Moral Majority is the first group used by conservative and penecostal religious leaders, led by Jerry Falwell, to influence politics. They were a force to be reckoned with, and the changes they drove into the Republican Party are undeniably visible today. Now the "base" of the Republican Party is considered to be the religious right, or the conservative Christians. This has alienated the non-religious right, such as many of my "Skeptic" friends, making it very difficult for them to feel a part of the Republican Party. Now everything the Republican Party does is steeped in religious colors, and what was previously considered the extreme right of the Republican Part is now the "core" of the party.

How sad.

OK, back to the current race. I believe that the man John McCain was a man who stuck to his principles and voted in a way that was reasoned and thoughtful. He put his own thoughts of what was "right" and "wrong" above what the Republican Party said was right and wrong - and this (and god I hate to use this word) "maverick" way of voting, and his tendency to work with the Dems in the Senate, pretty much pissed off the Republican Party; but was very kewl to those of us who are independent and centrist.

So, when McCain became the presumptive nominee of the Republican Party I was actually pretty excited. I thought his nomination would signal a swinging back of the pendulum towards a more moderate Republican base, which would mean that those disenfranchised social and economic Republicans who happened to not be Judeo-Christian could feel like there's a place for them inside the "GOP tent".

Once again, I was wrong.

Instead of the "core" of the GOP Party moving towards a less-extreme stance, McCain moved towards the extreme. He was told by his handlerss that he needed to do this in order to win over the Republican base, and he began changing his platform to reflect this advice. Furthermore he decided to deepen his support from the GOP base by choosing his Vice-President - Sarah Palin.

Gov. Sarah Palin
Wow, what can I say - the first thing that comes to mind is WTF??? Are you kidding me? He chooses his VP based on a quick phone call - with out any vetting out of the candidate, without an extensive background check, without seriously reviewing the vast array of choices available to him?

Are you serious, McCain? Sarah Palin is the BEST candidate you could find?

I was dumbfounded by this choice; however I decided to give her the benefit of the doubt, and watched her GOP Convention speech. "Not bad," I thought. It was definitely targeted towards her audience, and I must say that - taken in that context - it was a decent speech.

But then she had to go out on the road. She had to speak to reporters, and participate in interviews. And it became readily apparent that there is NO WAY this woman is competent and qualified enough to be Vice President of the United States of America. There is NO WAY she is qualified to be one 73-yr-old heartbeat away from the Presidency.

No way, folks. None. Period.

How in the world can you participate in a debate, and then just announce that you're not going to answer the questions? She said she wanted to "talk directly to the American people". Bullshit. She may not admit it, but I know why. She refused to answer questions because she didn't know the answer to the questions being asked, so she simply stuck to the script given to her. Are you kidding me?

What an embarrassment. It is an embarrassment to the GOP, and an embarrassment to me as an American.

So, the selection of Sarah Palin as the VP candidate, along with many other statements and actions of McCain, has caused me to realize that the McCain of 2008 is simply a hollow shell, a shadow of the McCain of 2000.

What a shame.

The 2008 Election
While the GOP Party continues to serve the religious extremists of their party - what is now considered the "core" of the party - the Democrats have actually swung back towards the center, to a certain extent (note that I did NOT say they were AT the center, they just moved away from their extremists). Maybe this is from 8 years of trying to get any part of their platform pushed through during the years of "Dubbya", but the Democrats appear to have become more willing to compromise, to work with others and "play nice" to get things done. Now of course the Dems are going to fight back against the vicious attacks and vitriol coming out of the GOP campaign, but in general the Obama campaign has been more responsive to the country's needs and pain and more empathetic to their plight. The McCain campaign, on the other hand, has been more interested in attacks and smear campaigns instead of addressing the crippling problems of the American public. McCain has become a whore to the polls and demands of his conservative handlers and extremist vocal party, and he has sold his soul in order to win the campaign - and it is transparently obvious.

But the truly scary part, at least to me, is not what McCain has been doing and saying - it is what Palin has been doing and saying, and how her rally attendees have responded. The McCain/Palin campaign spent these last few weeks launching a smear campaign against Obama/Biden, and working their crowds into a vocal, hate-spewing frenzy.

And it scares me.

I cannot believe how much hatred is coming out of what is considered to be the "core" of the Republican constituency. Palin whips them into a frothing frenzy, and then it is reinforced by conservative talk radio and pundits like Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, and so on. This is the ugliest I have ever seen the crowds at a political rally, and it carries over into our society. Comparing Obama to a terrorist, calling him a Muslim, saying all kinds of ugly (and untrue) things about him, and what I consider to be the worst of all - shouting "Kill him!", and it happened more than once. And this is just the stuff we see - the comments on blogs, forums, and so on is no less ugly.

Conclusion
The McCain/Palin campain is a joke; and by extension, the GOP Party, as it stands today, is an embarrassment. I expected my choice for whom I would vote would be a difficult one, and that I would have to spend a great deal of time reviewing each platform, weighing my options, etc. That could not be further from the truth. McCain/Palin has made it an easy choice, as there is no way I would want those two leading our country. While I know Obama and his platform has problems as well, it is infinitely more desirable than the joke represented by McCain/Palin.

So, for me at least, the choice is clear. I am supporting Obama/Biden because I feel like they represent a steadier hand at the helm, they have assembled a staff of advisors that is impressive, and Obama isn't afraid to seek those who are more knowledgeable than him about a particular topic to provide him counsel. A truly wise leader realizes he doesn't have all the answers, and he attempts to find people who are experts to advise him and provide him information so he can make an informed decision. Obama has demonstrated this tendency, and I trust him more because of this.

Incidentally, I will be out of the country for the election, so I voted early today - and Obama got my vote, as well as many Libertarians in local elections. And I feel good with this vote.

BTW, GOP readers - don't get too excited, I live in a hopelessly "Red" state (Georgia), so it is pretty likely that my vote won't count for squat. At least I lived up to my responsibility as an American to vote.

Rock

Comments

1 - I don't have time right now to respond to everyone, but let me respond to Tim B.

As Andrew said, Tim, please quote your sources. The reason I say this is because I think this is more wishful thinking than reality. Now, since you got to say something unreferenced, let me say something as well- from everything - and I mean everything - I have seen on CNN and elsewhere, the Palin bump is no more, and has completely evaporated. In fact, Palin is believed to be a drag on the ticket, exciting no one except the Republican base. I will make sure I come back in a bit, when I respond to everyone, to give you sources for my statements.

Rock

2 - You got it.

{ Link }

All I can say at this point in this thread is that there is a real tendency on both sides to see what you want to see and to only read about this stuff in echo chambers. So yes, I read national review, but I also read slate, the wash post, and the nytimes. Some of you might try it in the other direction.

In my opinion, Obama has successfully given the impression that despite a very liberal political record, he will govern as a centrist.

I think the democrats win no matter what, since McCain is in many ways a democrat in republican clothing. Given that, I'm just in it for the judges.

I really hate that I'm going on vacation right now. Because if I try to keep up with this post any longer, I'm in trouble with my wife.

3 - I have to tell you it is very nice to hear from those that think down the center, weigh options, and understand you have to use your head for your choice and not your emotions.

After all this time, I cannot figure out chameleon McCain, I did try.

While I found much to admire with Obama anyway, Sarah Palin is the reason I will make sure to visit the polls, no way, it is an insult that I cannot comprehend.

The very possibility that the first woman president could be Sarah Palin! No!!
(Oh wait, was that an emotional reaction?)

4 - Rocky, keep on posting on whatever topics move you. I don't always respond or agree, but I always find something of interest in what you write.

5 - No matter what your political inclinations are, nobody should be shouting "Kill him!" (about Obama) like they're doing at those rallies. That's just disgusting.

6 - Nice post, Rocky. You've described a clearly thought out, forthright, and well-justified decision. Which ever way you had chosen, I'd have expected nothing less than that from you, of course.

It is becoming increasingly apparent that McCain has made a huge strategic error with the Palin pick. In a year where Democratic voter registrations are well ahead of Republicans, McCain is losing large numbers of independents and center-leaning Republicans, and he has given up any chance of converting any center-leading Democrats -- many of whom, like you, liked and respected him in the past.

I did an hour of phone-banking at the local Obama office this evening, before tonight's debate. I've been doing it once or twice a week since the general campaigns started, and I've talked to lots of people and heard lots of different reasons for supporting or opposing each candidate. Tonight I talked to someone who was a registered independent, who clearly had conservative leanings, and this is very close to word-for-word what he said: "I've got to tell you, I was a big McCain fan... until the Palin pick. I'll be voting for Obama. It's a protest vote against Palin. And my wife is voting the same way for the same reason." It clearly isn't just life-long Democrats, like myself, who see Palin as patently unqualified and an insult to the intelligence of the American electorate.


7 - Thanks for your viewpoint.

I understand where you are coming from in regards to Palin now. It is a bit of a 'catch 22' to me...she may not be ready, but at the same time she isnt part of that seasoned politician network yet. In regards to being available, that hardly seems to be the case. It seems the Dems are keeping Joe from shooting himself in the foot - { Link } .

I don't know many that would argue that McCain hasn't jumped around a bit... I think he just had enough from the attacks on him and vp choice (even before anyone had a chance to see her in action) from the media. Not to mention the distortions that each campaign tells about each other in their ads. Or he just felt the race fading away. Unfortunately, that did not help his cause at all.

As far as the media...all I can say is we agree on MSNBC, somewhat. Emoticon
MSNBC is waaaaaaaaaaaaay over the top, so much so that I refuse to watch it or that hack Keith Olberman when he is on any other NBC affiliated show.

CNN...leans left, but tries to act balanced. If they could only put a muzzle on Anderson and Campbell Brown they might actually convince people they are balanced.

Foxnews...leans right, but tries to act balanced. Will actually give Dems their say without emotionally attacking them. Basically they cancel out CNN.Emoticon

ABC - left.
NBC - left.
CBS - left.
MPT(Maryland Public Television) - thankfully straight down the center.


I wish McCain were a few years younger, I think he would be more accepted perhaps. Then there would be less of this "one heartbeat away" talk. I think Obama is an excellent (scripted) orator, and seems to be very charismatic and honest. However, I cant get this (very toned down) feeling of Manchurian Candidate. Basically anointed 4 years ago during his speech at the convention and then has been campaigning for 2 years. Not really a whole lot of experience either. And Biden has been caught plagiarizing not once, but twice with quite a few years between the two events, so it wasnt just a stupid mistake that one makes when they are young. In addition, he was caught in additional lies during that whole scenario. Now we all know politicians lie...but to do it in this way shows a serious character flaw and a lack of intelligence.

In a perfect world(imo), the parties would be removed and we would vote for the best person for the job. In our current society, it seems(or it may be me just getting older
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that the parties now are just creating a greater divide amongst people. And now is the time that we need to come together and fix this nation...not argue about who does this and who does that.

8 - Well articulated post Rocky. I have the same disappoint with the current political climate as you do. I see a lot of Obama signs in my neighborhood in Atlanta, but I think it is going to be tough for him to overcome the Red in Georgia. Maybe he'll mandate the state sell beer on Sunday if he wins. He would certainly garner some votes on that platform.

9 - Although I'd been hoping Obama would run for over a year before he announced his candidacy (due to interviews I'd seen him give demonstrating a clear understanding of some crucial issues), I also was hoping during the primaries that McCain would be the Republican nominee and was therefore pleased when that occurred - for one simple reason: I was hoping we'd actually have a civil general election campaign. I often come off as far more liberal than I actually am, and, like you, I would have seriously considered voting for the McCain of 2000. That McCain is gone, subverted by his current level of ambition... though not entirely. On multiple occasions recently I saw a glimpse of his previous self as he tried to rein in his own supporters once the venom his campaign, surrogates and running mate have been fostering took hold. In those few brief moments he seemed stronger, steadier, and more himself than I'd seen him in a long time... it's a pity he hasn't run his entire campaign with that level of integrity. If he had, I think he would have not only had a solid shot at winning, but would have shown that he deserves to.

"...it is pretty likely that my vote won't count for squat." Don't be too sure: as Chuck pointed out, early voter turnout here (I keep forgetting I live in Georgia now too... ping me if you want a free lunch some time) has been enormous. Approximately 10% of the population (including me and my wife) has already voted, and 37% of those voters are African-American (a group which represents 29% of the state's total population). While it's just as cynical to assume that every African-American will vote for Obama as it would be to assume every woman would vote for McCain just because Palin is on the ticket, statistically they are more likely to vote Democratic. Additionally, a large majority of the early voters live in districts that tend to be Democratic strongholds. Timing is also on Obama's side: an average of the past week's polling puts Obama a mere 6% behind McCain here in Georgia, and nationally he has an average lead of 7.7%, so a high early turnout here is likely to lock more votes for Obama since the current trend is swinging his way, and in a cycle where even Georgia is as close as it is, that may be enough to secure him its 15 electoral votes. Excluding tallies from partisan pollsters, he's currently on target to win by an electoral margin of 357 - 181, which would in itself be a landslide, but if turnout does indeed play a significant role, a 407 - 131 final tally is not entirely impossible.

10 - What I didn't like about the choice of Pailn was the type of choice it was - a cynical choice. It indicates how McCain's choices might be made in office....

11 - You might have some anecdotal data about people who would normally vote for McCain not doing so because of his selection of Palin, but that's not what the polling data is showing:

"In the polls they're conducting around the country, and my boss wasn't able to relay specific numbers, the Obama campaign is very, very worried about how Palin appears to be energizing whole groups of people who don't typically get energized about politics, precisely because she appeals so strongly to the middle class, as well as women and dissatisfied republicans that stayed home in 2006."

You may not like the pick, but politically it was a brilliant move by McCain, both in terms of generating enthusiasm and bringing in addition millions in donations.

12 -
@15 - Please assign attribution and date to your quote. I don't believe "The Palin Bump" really means the same thing any more.

13 - Rocky - well said.

Palin is a disgrace and an embarassment, and McCain is responsible for her nomination.

14 - Sorry about Ed's comment count being off. I deleted an ad and a double-post (for clarity's sake), and it threw off his numbering. Ed's post should have referenced Tim's post at what is now 18, and also my post at what is now 17.

Sorry again for the confusion.

Rock

15 - OK, I'm back - let me use this post to back up my earlier post asserting that Palin's bump has evaporated, and she's actually a drag on the ticket.

As I said earlier, this has appeared in many places, by many news organizations and polls. For instance, this Abt SRBI poll from 7 October { Link } shows that Palin's "Favoritablility Rating" is the lowest of the four candidates (2 Pres, 2 VP), and is only above Pres. Bush (ouch) - the question is a little more than half way down the page.

FiveThirtyEight.com reported as early as 17 Sept. that her numbers were eroding { Link }

Want widely-respected news outlets? The LA Times Poll conducted on 15 Oct. { Link } says the following about the "Palin Effect":
"Sarah Palin Factor: Last month’s poll showed that slightly more voters were more likely to vote for McCain because of Sarah Palin’s presence on the ticket. This poll shows that the Palin rock star status has waned (except with the Republican’s core base). More voters are less likely to vote for McCain because of her presence on the ticket. Independents have flipped their allegiance. In September 38% said they were more likely to vote for McCain because of Palin – now just 19% say that. Women were split last month, but now lean toward less likely, as do men. Nearly half of voters believe she is unqualified to become president if something happens to McCain. Again independents flipped with 49% now saying she is not qualified vs. 37% in September. As for Joe Biden, more than two-thirds think he is qualified to become president, if necessary (an increase of eight points since the September poll)."

I could go on and on, but that should suffice. Palin is a drag on the ticket except for the Republican base, and I think even there the base has rose-colored glasses on, and are simply clinging to something (her) to cheer them up.

Rock

16 - NPR reports that early voting from the African American community in Georgia is way up. If this is indicative of the turn out on election day the Georgia could be a blue state in the presidential race. Which won't make my in-laws very happy.


17 - @21 (Slavko) - Good questions and comments. Let me give you my thoughts on your talking points...

You said, "I do not understand the constant "she is not qualified" statements. Is it because she is very conservative?"

It does seem that way at times; however there are many Republicans - including probably my favorite Republican, Gen. Colin Powell - who feel that Sarah Palin is wholly unqualified to be Vice President. This is because, as Gen. Powell put it so succinctly:

"And I was also concerned at the selection of Governor Palin. She's a very distinguished woman, and she's to be admired; but at the same time, now that we have had a chance to watch her for some seven weeks, I don't believe she's ready to be president of the United States, which is the job of the vice president. And so that raised some question in my mind as to the judgment that Senator McCain made." (**emphasis mine)

She has proven she is proficient at saying the lines from a script; she's even quite good at reciting her script, adding her own flair, and then getting the base of her party all excited at her rallies. However, she has proven through the few interviews she's had, that she is not capable of internalizing her party's platform and then talking to the media and demonstrating that she's just not capable of thinking on her feet - something that you need to be PRESIDENT. Their own handlers believe this, as demonstrated by the way they totally sequester her from the media. If she were more capable, she would be giving interviews left and right, like Joe Biden. Now, don't get me wrong - I think her biggest problem is simply a lack of experience; she may be ready to run for VP, or even Pres, in 4 or 8 years. But the VP needs to be ready NOW to be President at a moment's notice, and I just shudder at the thought of her taking over for an ill or dead Pres. McCain.

The selection of Gov. Palin also demonstrates how McCain himself would deal with issues, and how he would pick people to serve, such as the other seats in his cabinet. I find this choice to be very disturbing, if this is the way he will address other needs and issues.

OK, enough on Gov. Palin. If you want me to answer more questions concerning her, please let me know - I could go on quite a long time about her and McCain's choices outside of her.

Concerning temperate parties, you said, "Furthermore, in regards to the more 'temperate' party. I see a totally different picture. Hands down, republicans are less emotional. Look at the conventions for example, a lot more violence at the Repub convention(protesters) than at the Dem convention. Maybe its because I live in a strongly democratic area, but to me it seems as though there is alot more negative reaction to being a McCain supporter { Link } ." (BTW, the link in your post was broken - I have fixed it in the link here)

Well, I think there were protesters at both conventions, from the reports I have seen; we just were exposed to more protesters at the Republican convention. Remember, both parties have their extremists and protesting whackos. I think another reason you may feel this way is because there are a lot more people really pissed off at the Republicans based upon eight years of Bush 43. He is a horrible President, no matter what his party affiliation is, and this is why you see so many Repbulicans distancing themselves from him.

I am mainly talking about the leadership of each party. The Dems used to have their extremists leading the party, or at least having more influence; however the overall tenor of the party has moved back towards the center (and as I stated earlier, they are not AT the center, they are simply moving in that direction). OTOH the Republicans are allowing the religious-right to control their party, and this completely alienates the more moderate members of their party (such as Gen. Powell).

Regarding your comment about where you live, I honestly didn't know the Washington DC area was very Democratic; when I spent any time there quite a few years ago, it was more Republican than Democrat; oh well, back to my respose. I am in the "Deep South" in a small town Northeast of Atlanta, and this is Bible-Belt, Hard-Right, Red State territory. So, I definitely understand how you feel, because I feel that way about the Republicans. I am probably the only non-Republican in my entire subdivision, and one of the few in my county. But, I still fulfilled my responsibility to vote, even though my vote probably won't count for squat. I am one of those who feels that if you didn't vote, you don't have the right to bitch Emoticon

Your last sentence was, "And if someone calls a Republican supporter 'racist' one more time, my head might explode. One last thing...the liberal leaning mainstream media and news stations are making me sick."

Well, I definitely think that Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) overshot in his criticism, but I do think the underlying premis is pretty accurate - just not to that extreme. I am a firm believer that the rhetoric coming out of the McCain campaign stirs up some pretty scary feelings in their constituency - and I know, because I hear it during discussions at my kids' various practices. There are many people who actually BELIEVE, deep-down in their hearts, that Obama is a "muslim" and that he is "un-american". Give me a friggin' break. The fact that they have made it OK to say these hateful things is in and of itself dangerous.

And this brings me to another thing that upsets me about the McCain/Palin campaign. I firmly believe that the honor and integrity of Sen. McCain has been forfeited so that he has a better chance to be President. As I said in my original post I really liked the McCain of 2000/2001. He wasn't afraid to stand up to anyone, including his own party, if the cause was right. And I had planned on voting for McCain in this election, until I saw how he was conducting it - and his pick for VP. He is a yes-man to the current "core" of the party (the religious right), and he no longer is a true "maverick" leader (and for me, if I hear "maverick" one more time I may puke).

As far as the "liberal media", it really depends on where you get your news. For instance, I think that if you watch the cable news networks, you will find their allegiances lie as follows:

MSNBC == Left-wing media; everything is definitely slanted towards the left, and they have a "token" Republican in Pat Robertson.
CNN == Centrist media; they have the most balanced reporting I have seen. I know the Republicans used to call CNN the "Clinton News Network", but now that MSNBC has come I believe that they have moved back to the center.
BBC America == Also centrist, and this is an interesting place to get news because it gives you an idea of how Europe (or at least the Brits) are viewing what's going on here. Give it a look if you happen to have it in your cable/dish package.
Fox News == Right-wing media; everything is slanted WAY right. I don't know if they have a token Democrat, as I can't stand to watch that network.
** I must admit that I do not watch the network newscasts, because they are like watching "USA Today" as a news show.

I hope I have given you the answers you desired when considering your post. I look forward to your response.

Cheers!

Rock

18 -
I, for one, am proud that this time around we have two good men running for office --even as I disagree strongly with one of them and am disappointed with his recent decisions.

McCain's love of country and passionate idealistic approach is without question. What we've learned about him in this election cycle though, is that his temper gets the better of him. When he finally realizes he can't get what he wants, and throws up his hands -- completely caving in. As a result, you get Palin.

I've learned some things about Obama in this campaign too. He's been hit with things that have the potential to sink a campaign several times. In each case, his response was to briefly delay, then step forward with a carefully planned and well thought out communication and action plan. The Rev. Wright nonsense is a perfect example. Obama came out of that stronger, when it could have sunk him if he'd handled it badly.

What I look for in a President is a good man (or woman, should the right one step up), with a keen mind, the charisma to get his ideas supported, and the temperament and judgement to handle a crisis well -- particularly a crisis that's outside his area of skill.

Still, that doesn't make McCain a bad man. It makes him the lesser of the two remarkable choices. I see no need to vilify him just because I prefer his opponent.

19 - You'll like this interview:

{ Link }

Enjoy.

20 - Rock,
Thank you for the well thought out and informative post concerning this years "choice of 2 evils". I think you are completely right about the "religious right" infusing there agenda in to the GOP. I would encourage you however not to bundle all conservative christians with this group. I am a 27 year old conservative christian that believes it is time for the church to do what the church was designed to do, which is help people and try to lead people to Jesus. Politics is not the platform the church should be using and anyone who tells me that it is certainly isn't reading the same New Testament as myself and many others. I would also encourage you that many of my generation feel much the same as myself.
Second point I would make would be that I do somewhat disagree with your analysis of the "Democratic" shift to moderate. The democrats are still just as entrenched with the left wing extremist as the GOP is to the right wing extremist. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are perfect examples of this. They are complete funded and backed by extremist on the left. My own rep, John Yarmoth, used to own the highly left magazine, the LEO, in Louisville. He was elected to bring "change" to Washington and has done not a thing because he is unwilling to come to the "center". All this is to say that is why I called this the 2008 election of the lesser of 2 evils. I have no hope that either party will be better about coming to the middle so I might just have to write in Ron Paul and be done with it all.

21 - @19 Tim, i do read a lot of "across the aisle" blogs and websites, even having ventured as far afield as FreeRepublic in my quest to understand the other side. I've read redstate before, and just read the article you linked.

I think the difference here is that what Rock cited in 18 were nationally conducted, publicly released surveys... and what you linked on Redstate is hearsay from someone doing canvasing as an Obama volunteer. I'll accept that the Redstate posting represents that actual conversation...but I absolutely can't accept that it reflects that somehow Sarah Palin has had a positive effect overall on the McCain campaign. Every favorable/unfavorable national public poll shows her having the lowest favorability score of any of the four national candidates. Every endorsement of Obama in the mainstream media has mentioned Palin as a contributing factor to why that paper (even the Chicago Tribune!) endorsed Obama.

22 - Interesting post. This is an interesting time in politics that is for sure. McCain has done some things I question, I still am not decided on how I feel about his choice of Sarah Palin. That said, I do not understand the constant "she is not qualified" statements. Is it because she is very conservative?

Furthermore, in regards to the more 'temperate' party. I see a totally different picture. Hands down, republicans are less emotional. Look at the conventions for example, alot more violence at the Repub convention(protestors) than at the Dem convention. Maybe its because I live in a strongly democratic area, but to me it seems as though there is alot more negative reaction to being a McCain supporter({ Link } And if someone calls a Republican supporter 'racist' one more time, my head might explode. One last thing...the liberal leaning mainstream media and news stations are making me sick.

23 - I think the big question for McCain is "why should we think your not an idiot"?

Maybe Palin isn't the wrong choice to be VP, but, it sure looks like shes a dud. The VP Choice is not a promise that the president can go back on after the election, like "read my lips, no new taxes". I have not heard a valid explanation why all the "inexperience" smear that McCain has been slinging since day one does not apply to his running mate.

So, I go back to your statement " I want a President that is as smart or smarter than me". I share this desire (however I personally drop the "as smart" part, I want smarter).

In light of the VP decision, which looks stupid, why should we think that its not stupid?

I too started out liking McCain, my turning point for him was gradual, the longer he was in the fight the dirtier and more desperate he got. The presidency is hard (says president Bush) I want to see a candidate that can keep honor when things are down, like McCain did last year.

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